I think the risk is that the government underwrites the risk. If a private contractor fails, as we saw at the beginning of the pandemic when Carillion failed in the U.K., the government picks up the pieces. The government underwrites that risk.
We have an example—I think it was cited in the first day of testimony here—from our military base workers whose work was contracted out. Facility maintenance and yard maintenance was contracted out. The base needed to do central training exercises, as they do on an ongoing basis. The private contractor failed. The fields and the outside area were not taken care of. It was not safe for the military members to go in and do their exercises.
I should say that our members submitted a business case contrasting their ability with the private contractor. It was still contracted out. The base commander then ordered the public sector workers to do the work. They didn't have the expertise anymore and they didn't have the equipment.
This is a simple lawn maintenance example. Imagine it's something else, like something at an airport or something that is critical to Canada's safety and security. It's a big risk.