On the question regarding innovation, I think what happens with outside consultants—I'll go back to the morale—is that you have a lot of people who are capable of doing the work but who are hitting a glass ceiling because of the language barriers of regional distribution. They can't overcome those barriers. That was one of the good things about a virtual working space—we could hire talent from across the country in order to fill in those spaces to create that talent and move it upward into the government.
I did mention that right now we have 2,500 grievances against the federal public service and against Treasury Board with respect to which we know that the work that consultants are doing is taking work from our members. These are jobs that consultants are doing that could be done in-house by federal public servants. We also know from the CIO that we are short 7,000 IT workers. If we can't even retain and recruit the members and keep the members we have, we're never going to reach the goal of having a self-sufficient federal public service and our reliance on contracts will just continue to grow.