It is definitely a vicious cycle. It feeds on itself. If we don't invest in-house, we see federal public servants who leave to become a contractor or leave the federal public service, so it starts that whole cycle again.
While our studies are on IT right now, it is the nurses.... Nurses are walking away from working for Indigenous Services Canada or Correctional Service Canada to work for the agency counterparts, make the money that they should be making right now as federal public servants and get the respect they deserve for the profession they are in.