It's very hard for us to see sometimes how much they are actually paying their IT workers. When you're talking about multinational corporations, we're not sure that even the workers they have are being paid a similar wage, especially if they're not Canadian workers. The other thing is that we don't know what the markup is in terms of the contracts. It's very hard for us to understand the full scope.
What we do know is that repeated, I would call, microaggressions against the employees: not being able to be paid, not being able to work in their field of expertise, not being able to upskill.... This is not a static job. It's not something that stays. You need to be up on the new technologies, and you have to know what you're doing. If the government won't invest in that, then you are not able to provide the best service on behalf of Canadians.