Yes, I'll echo Professor Clarke's message on this, which is that there are times when we do need to contract out services, again, with surge capacity or for a special purpose. Unfortunately, what I feel happens is that we contract out the whole project instead of the piece where we bring people in to help amplify or to provide that piece that the public service is missing and share that talent or that expertise with our internal people, making sure that the in-house capacity is leveraged as well.
What we tend to do is then leave those contracts in place for the whole project, when those [Technical difficulty—Editor] and building that in-house capacity.