I think the focus on whistle-blowing would imply that, in each of these cases, it's a really obvious, sensationalist breach of good governance. It's actually more of a slow burn, and sometimes it's more subtle. I think public servants whistle-blowing.... They're not going to whistle-blow about the fact that one of their colleagues has a government email address and works for Deloitte and it's not really obvious. It's not a really great story. It doesn't sell.
However, I think that over time, this bigger erosion of state capacity is what this committee has the opportunity to address. That's what the focus should be.
I think McKinsey is a bit of a distraction, if I'm being honest, from the real issue.