Thank you, Chair.
Thank you very much, Ms. Carr and the other Mr. McAuley, for being here today.
On page 62 of the infamous book When McKinsey Comes to Town written by Walt Bogdanich and Michael Forsythe—and I'm sure you'll hear me make reference to it over the coming weeks as we study McKinsey—it states, “McKinsey burrowed deep into state and federal agencies by selling the idea that ordinary government workers lacked the training and experience to understand the nuances of [government]”.
I think that's something similar to what Ms. Carr was describing there.
I'm now going to go to a CBC article from January 4, 2023, which indicated the department that used McKinsey the most was Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada. In this article, two public servants explain that the many policy decisions were decided by McKinsey rather than public servants. They also said these policy decisions were made without public interest as their top priority.
Ms. Carr, what is the morale of the public service when consulting firms come in and take over projects from public servants?