We heard from public servants about the impact on the morale, from the imposition of Phoenix to having highly paid consultants replacing them in their jobs to having people like the BDC give advice that countered what the others were saying.
A minister who was here, the Minister of Public Services and Procurement, talked about the morale being solid and not being impacted by any of these things. Do you have any inside feedback on the morale situation in the public service due to these decisions?