Mr. Chair, I've already lost 20 seconds with the minister. I understand that the minister and I disagree on the facts. That's his position, and I accept it.
The public servants working in your department stated that they were uncomfortable with the new immigration targets and that they opposed them, but that certain people working for McKinsey inside the department had some influence.
Who's right? Is it you, with your official version of the facts, or the folks who work inside the machine?