First, Mr. Chair, if it means I need to extend my appearance by 30 seconds so we can have a conversation in which we don't speak over one another.... It's difficult in a virtual environment. I mean no offence to my colleague.
On the substance, I can assure you, from my perspective as the person who holds the pen in designing the immigration levels plan, the influence that was exerted upon me was from the Canadian business community. It was from workers who were concerned that they wouldn't have a job if their employer closed and communities, like the one I come from, that were worried about seeing young people moving away. It was from provincial governments, territorial governments and other organizations. I don't believe there was internal pressure from McKinsey that influenced my immigration levels plan one bit.