Of the nearly $4.6 billion that was spent on outsourcing by DND, the $15 million that went to McKinsey was about culture. They were supposed to drive culture change. We've highlighted several times why a company with a record like McKinsey's is not one that I would want coaching my team on culture. Having served in the Canadian Forces and having worked alongside non-uniformed employees of DND, I know they wouldn't take any real lessons on culture from a company like McKinsey. They would have an awareness of and appreciation for hearing from their peers on where changes need to be made. They recognize when things aren't right and that just because things have been done a certain way for a long time doesn't mean that there aren't opportunities to improve on them.
At this committee I highlighted for the minister the state of the living quarters at CFB Kingston, and specifically at the Canadian Forces School of Communications and Electronics, where repairs aren't being done to the living quarters for members who are stationed there. It is also the workplace for your members, and it includes mould, rodent infestations, water infiltration and inadequate bathroom facilities.
With the government shovelling money out the door to high-priced consultants who are making more than both the uniformed members—certainly more than the non-commissioned members who are staying in those accommodations that I referenced—and your members who work in these facilities, does that have an negative impact on their morale? If it does, in your opinion, do you believe that investments in the infrastructure there and the leadership of legacy members could improve both the culture challenges that exist and the depressing physical workspace that is, frankly, destroying the morale of DND employees and uniformed members of the Canadian forces?