Thank you again for being here.
Mr. Wernick, you talked about the deficit reduction plan under the Conservative government and the cuts, which were pretty severe. Obviously, we saw outsourcing with Phoenix. We saw Veterans Affairs get cut by a third.
Would you believe that a lot of the outsourcing was a result of the deep cuts to the public service? We saw outsourcing double under the Conservative government, and it's gone up fourfold under this government right now.