Thank you, Chair.
Once again, thank you, Mr. Wernick, for your service over so many years.
We've heard consistently that management consulting firms were brought in for different areas. Their focus was on benchmarking and helping different departments with getting data on best practices based on the mandate that was given to those departments.
Also, in your opening remarks, and a number of times after that, you specifically talked about training public servants on leadership as well as other areas. You talked about the training courses you took as the Clerk of the Privy Council to ensure not only that you understood project management but you understood its activity.
Can you expand on what type of training for public services you would recommend so we reduce our dependency on consultants? It's more of how and when we need them, rather than needing them on a regular basis.