I'll speak to that first. I think we have to start with the law. The sequence that I've heard is informed public outrage, which leads to enormous pressure on politicians, which leads to law. That's the sequence, and that's what we're seeing in other countries. We have no shortage of scandals that should have caused outrage in Canada, but we haven't had people in the streets and people going to jail.
I can assure you that, if the law is changed so that some of these wrongdoers suffer consequences, that will be the start of a significant culture change throughout the whole public service. The very first time that it happens, the message will go out like a cannon shot.
In the U.K. not so long ago, the CEO of Barclays Bank was personally fined over $600 million. His crime was not the wrongdoing he was accused of, because that was not considered serious. It was attempting to uncover the whistle-blower. He went to great lengths to find out who the whistle-blower was, and you can imagine what his intentions were. He was fined more than $600 million for doing that. That sends a signal, and that might cause other CEOs to think twice about launching a campaign to find the leaker.