I think the problem comes into play when there aren't guardrails on the government's side, when there is a lack of transparency, and when government agencies and institutions bend the rules when it comes to transparency requirements.
We've seen that first-hand, just with the ATIPs that we got back on this. We have literally about 300 pages that contain redactions. I think taxpayers deserve that information.
Mr. Johns, just to throw a kudos to you, I've seen some of your comments in the media about how it's wrong to keep Canadian taxpayers in the dark. I think that's what happened right from the beginning of this process.