If you're directing the question to me, I left when ArriveCAN was at $6.3 million. I believe, out of the $54 million, there were things outside of IT—$7 million went to Service Canada to do things. When I look at the cost over three years, I think.... If you look at major IT systems, and I would consider this a major IT system.... I think it's less expensive than people are making it out to be.
I want to underline this: We know everything that happened now, so it's very easy to rebuild something that's been built. It's called a model. We didn't have a model to follow when we built ArriveCAN. They were coming up with things in real time. This started off as a replacement for a piece of paper that cost about $3 each. When we think about the 40 million transactions on ArriveCAN.... I like to think of it as an overall cost saving for the Government of Canada.