We are a bit over the time we had planned, and I'll just say that the committee already made the decision to summon them, and if they're going to come anyway, it's a moot point, right? The point is, they're going to be in these chairs, and I think there are reasons the committee needs to hear from these people. People are welcome to be in the gallery, but I think we want to hear from the witnesses we want to hear from.
Chair, I just want to ask about Josée Bastien.