That leaves me with four minutes and 30 seconds. Thank you so much.
What I was saying and what I was trying to explain to the two witnesses whom we originally had not invited was that unfortunately, as you well know, Mr. Johns, we have a history in this committee of senior government executives not being forthright with us and not necessarily telling us the truth.
I guess in this room I can frankly say that they were lying to us, as was evidenced by the recent story by Bill Curry in The Globe and Mail. You will then forgive us, please, if we direct our questions to the three other individuals—Ms. Durigan, Ms. Chan and Ms. Mansour—who are here today.
I'll start now.
Ms. Chan, why did you determine Botler's contract to be between Botler and the subcontractor?