I cannot actually comprehend the fact that we're post-COVID and the out-of-control consulting is still skyrocketing. The government can find more money for highly paid consulting firms than for small and medium-sized businesses that closed their doors to protect public health and can't access CEBA loans. I just find it absolutely unbelievable.
I'm going to talk about Phoenix.
The Conservatives started this Phoenix pay system that was supposed to save us $80 million a year. It's over $2.3 billion. Hopefully, you can provide the amount that it has really cost Canadians through their highly paid consulting regime of their own that was carried on by the Liberals. Do you have an updated number on the total amount the Phoenix pay system has cost us?