Mr. Wojo Zielonka (Assistant Deputy Minister and Chief Financial Officer, Department of Public Works and Government Services) at the Government Operations and Estimates Committee

Thank you, Mr. Chair, for the question.

The total investment in Phoenix to date is $3.5 billion. The vast majority of that investment is actually not outsourcing, to be clear. It is for public servants who work on the Phoenix pay system, who work on paying public servants every day, and that's where the vast majority of that investment has been made to date.