I'm glad we're on the subject of Phoenix. We heard on Tuesday that the cost of Phoenix has ballooned to $3.5 billion. That's quite a jump from $2.3 billion, and it's obviously a big jump from when the Conservatives recommended Phoenix and it was supposed to save us $80 million a year.
The Liberals continue to carry on with this privatization scheme. What's the plan? What is the budget to fix Phoenix? Is there even a number? You're Treasury Board. How much are you allocating for and looking at in future years? Are we going to hit $5 billion or $10 billion? What's the plan?