Ms. O'Gorman, why should we believe anything you say today, these canned speaking notes, when both Mr. MacDonald and Mr. Utano have stated that they were misled by senior CBSA officials as to who even chose ArriveCAN? This committee has found you not having spoken the truth to this committee before. There's no reason that we should believe this.
Can you tell the committee, then, what evidence you have of Mr. MacDonald and Mr. Utano for their suspension? Can you share that, please?