Evidence of meeting #14 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was bédard.

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On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Blanchard  Associate Secretary, Treasury Board Secretariat
Franco  Executive Director, Investment Management Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat
McClymont  Deputy Secretary to the Cabinet, Senior Personnel and Public Service Renewal, Privy Council Office
Bédard  Law Clerk and Parliamentary Counsel, House of Commons

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Conservative

Tamara Jansen Conservative Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

Okay. Each one of them has its own mandate, approval process and risk team. Is that correct?

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Associate Secretary, Treasury Board Secretariat

Dominique Blanchard

Yes, I think that's correct.

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Conservative

Tamara Jansen Conservative Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

Do you agree, then, that the system just wasn't really working, caused massive delays and cost overruns?

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Associate Secretary, Treasury Board Secretariat

Dominique Blanchard

I think there are a number of reasons for cost overruns, but yes.

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Conservative

Tamara Jansen Conservative Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

Okay.

The Prime Minister's solution was to add a fifth organization, the new Defence Investment Agency, to fix that process. Is that correct?

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Associate Secretary, Treasury Board Secretariat

Dominique Blanchard

I would say that what's important is the way this organization takes on some of the roles and responsibilities that were previously undertaken by the ones that you mentioned.

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Conservative

Tamara Jansen Conservative Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

Okay.

Just so we're clear, none of the original four departments are being removed or losing their involvement in the process. Is that correct?

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Associate Secretary, Treasury Board Secretariat

Dominique Blanchard

I think that remains to be seen. These are early days for this organization. Certainly, some of the capacities within those organizations may step back—

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Conservative

Tamara Jansen Conservative Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

They're still there.

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Associate Secretary, Treasury Board Secretariat

Dominique Blanchard

The organizations are still there, yes.

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Conservative

Tamara Jansen Conservative Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

We still have National Defence, Procurement, Innovation and Science, and the Treasury Board, plus the new agency that's sitting on top of them doing the big buys—over $100 million. That is what I understand.

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Associate Secretary, Treasury Board Secretariat

Dominique Blanchard

Yes, again, there may be organizations within those departments that would be stood down or have smaller roles going forward, but they would still have a role, yes.

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Conservative

Tamara Jansen Conservative Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

Okay.

The person who was chosen to lead it, and for what seems to be a salary of close to $1 million if you include the bonuses—we shall see—is Mr. Guzman. He comes from banking—a career in finance, wealth management and capital markets—with no background in government procurement and with no military experience, as far as I can see, not even as a cadet.

Ms. McClymont, was he actually on your list?

4:15 p.m.

Deputy Secretary to the Cabinet, Senior Personnel and Public Service Renewal, Privy Council Office

Donnalyn McClymont

As I mentioned earlier, and as was mentioned in the Prime Minister's announcement, Mr. Guzman was chosen because, as you just said, he has decades of experience in investment and finance, capital allocation, project execution—

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Conservative

Tamara Jansen Conservative Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

I was just asking if he was on your list.

I wonder, Mr. Chair, if you might help me out. It's a fairly direct question.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

Are you able to provide an answer?

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Deputy Secretary to the Cabinet, Senior Personnel and Public Service Renewal, Privy Council Office

Donnalyn McClymont

Out of respect for personal information, I'm not in a position to speak to who, specifically, was on the various lists.

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Conservative

Tamara Jansen Conservative Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

I'm just asking specifically about Mr. Guzman. I'm just wondering whether the Prime Minister went over your head if Mr. Guzman wasn't on your list.

Vince Gasparro Liberal Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

Mr. Chair, I have a point of order.

The witness has answered this question three times now, so—

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Conservative

Tamara Jansen Conservative Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

No, she hasn't answered the question.

Vince Gasparro Liberal Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

She has answered. She's given you an answer.

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

Colleagues, let Mr. Gasparro finish his point of order.

Vince Gasparro Liberal Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

She's given an answer three times on this exact question. The member is borderline badgering the witness.

Are you going to spend the rest of the time asking the same question? She's given you the answer.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

Mr. Gasparro, thanks. I've heard the point of order.

I don't think it's badgering. I do believe that it's a very straightforward question, and I think we'd appreciate a straightforward answer to this. I don't think it's betraying any confidentiality.

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Deputy Secretary to the Cabinet, Senior Personnel and Public Service Renewal, Privy Council Office

Donnalyn McClymont

The simple answer would be that, obviously, he was a name that was under consideration, because he was asked to take on the role. That would be the best I could answer for you.