On the evidence base of changing behaviour, I understand the spectrum being from you're not even aware that this is an important thing to actually doing things that work. With respect to things like Saskatoon in Motion and the places where the community has mobilized around things, in terms of the bottom-up and top-down approach, do we have data that Saskatoon is now way better than other parts of Canada?
How do you find best practices across the country and get other communities to model themselves in terms of what actually works, as opposed to what makes politicians feel good about having done something?