In terms of evidence-based practice, I am interested in knowing what kind of data we need, biometric data, with regard to heights and weights of kids in this country. How would you get that? Would you do that through the family doctor's office, or do you think that we could do that as part of the school health consortium, through the deputy ministers of health and education across this country?
The other question is about the bottom-up stuff that we all know, about the infrastructure. When the sports ministers met a couple of summers ago, the school health consortium seemed to need the help of the recreation or sport ministers to be able to make sure that there was this place where cities are planned, as Penny said, or where you actually made sure that infrastructure would pay for a cycle path, not just for a building, so that communities could plan and then get funding appropriately.
So it's the two things. How do we focus all government departments, given the gridlock we've had across jurisdictions, and also, how do we get the data so we can find the pockets across this country that actually are making a difference in terms of heights and weights of kids, to show that we're funding what works and not funding what doesn't work?