Okay, can I start?
What I'm really wanting to emphasize more than anything else is that everyone you've heard from saw a draft guide that went out for the precise reason that we wanted to hear from people on how this doesn't work. So all of the criticism is based on what went out for consultation and is now being re-looked at.
The second thing is, why did we not go to other experts? I think you need to appreciate that when I look at the experts we went to for the food pattern--and you say Dr. Barr, professor of nutrition at UBC, has a conflict of interest--