Evidence of meeting #50 for Health in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was cdr.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

John Wright  Co-Chair and Deputy Minister, Saskatchewan Health, Government of Saskatchewan, Conference of Deputy Ministers of Health
Jill Sanders  President and Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Agency for Drugs and Technologies in Health
Robert Nakagawa  Assistant Deputy Minister, Pharmaceutical Services, British Columbia Ministry of Health
Mike Tierney  Vice-President, Common Drug Review, Canadian Agency for Drugs and Technologies in Health
Braden Manns  Chair, Canadian Expert Drug Advisory Committee, Canadian Agency for Drugs and Technologies in Health
Ed Hunt  Chair of the Board of Directors, Canadian Agency for Drugs and Technologies in Health, and Assistant Deputy Minister, Department of Health and Community Services, Government of Newfoundland and Labrador, Conference of Deputy Ministers of Health

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rob Merrifield

We'll call the meeting to order.

I want to thank the committee members for being here, and the witnesses as well.

We have before us today, on the study of prescription drugs, the common drug review, a panel on federal-provincial-territorial perspectives.

We have with us the Conference of Deputy Ministers of Health. John Wright is the co-chair.

We'll follow the order that is here. We'll just start with you, right off the bat, Mr. Wright, if you want to start your presentation. Mr. Ed Hunt, I believe, is with you, and perhaps you will introduce the rest of the table as we give you the floor.

The floor is yours.

3:35 p.m.

John Wright Co-Chair and Deputy Minister, Saskatchewan Health, Government of Saskatchewan, Conference of Deputy Ministers of Health

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

On behalf of the Conference of Deputy Ministers of Health, I'm very happy to be here to speak with you about the Canadian Agency for Drugs and Technologies in Health, or CADTH, as it is known, and its common drug review program.

I'm John Wright, the deputy minister of Saskatchewan Health and co-chair of the Conference of Deputy Ministers of Health, which is also known at the CDM.

I'm joined today by Dr. Ed Hunt, assistant deputy minister, Department of Health and Community Services, Government of Newfoundland and Labrador, and chair of the CADTH board of directors. Dr. Hunt is here as the designate for Mr. John Abbott, deputy minister of health and community services, Government of Newfoundland and Labrador, and liaison deputy for CADTH.

We're very pleased to be here today to outline the governance and accountability structure of CADTH and the common drug review. As we are aware that this is an issue that has been raised with you in earlier hearings, we want to assure you that CADTH, which is owned and governed by the Conference of Deputy Ministers of Health, is fully accountable to the CDM. In fact, in our opinion, CADTH is one of the most accountable national agencies existing in Canada today.

By being here today, I also want to ensure that you have an understanding of the important role played by CADTH in Canada's health care system and to provide you with the opportunity to ask questions of either me or Dr. Hunt, relating to CADTH's governance and accountability.

I want to begin with a few words about the mandate of CADTH. CADTH is the national body that provides Canada's federal, provincial, and territorial health care decision-makers with credible, impartial advice and evidence-based information about the effectiveness and efficiency of drugs and other health technologies. Unlike regulators such as Health Canada, which determine which technologies can be marketed in this country, CADTH supports decision-makers in the determination of which technologies should be used to achieve the best outcomes for patients' health and which contribute to the sustainability of our health care system.

CADTH's mandate is to facilitate the appropriate and effective utilization of health technologies, from introduction through to optimal utilization and to replacement or obsolescence within health care systems across this country. CADTH delivers this mandate through three core programs.

First, the health technology assessment program conducts impartial, evidence-based reviews of the clinical effectiveness, cost-effectiveness, and broader impact of drugs, health technologies, devices, and health systems.

Second, the common drug review, as you are aware, undertakes rigorous clinical and economic reviews of new drugs and provides evidence-based formulary listing recommendations to publicly funded drug plans.

Third, CADTH'S newest program, the Canadian optimal medication and prescribing utilization service, COMPUS, provides evidence-based advice regarding optimal drug utilization.

Through the products and services delivered by these three programs and the direct support the agency provides within jurisdictions for the uptake and utilization of its work, CADTH is making a crucial contribution to the effectiveness and efficiency of Canada's health care system.

I'll now turn to governance and accountability.

We have handed out a slide today that depicts CADTH's governance structure. I'll try to give some context to this slide and explain what it means.

CADTH was conceived by Canada's federal-provincial ministers of health in 1989. It is legally incorporated as an independent not-for-profit corporation. The owners of a not-for-profit corporation are called members. CADTH's members are the deputy ministers of health of each participating province and territory in Canada and the federal deputy minister of health. All governments participate, with the exception of Quebec.

By definition, CADTH is owned by the Conference of Deputy Ministers of Health, and each member has an equal voice in overseeing the affairs of the corporation. The corporation is governed by a board of directors, which consists of directors who are appointed by a member deputy minister of health. The directors are accountable to the CDM for the effective management of CADTH.

The Conference of Deputy Ministers' oversight of CADTH is carried out at its regular meetings as well as at CADTH's annual general meeting, where it conducts its requisite business, including receiving the report of the board of directors, receiving the financial statements and report of the auditor, appointing the auditor for the next year, and conducting other business, as required. The Conference of Deputy Ministers must approve all changes to the agency, for example, mandate, amendments to the organization's bylaws, and approving changes to CADTH's budget.

On the topic of jurisdictional funding, I understand representatives from the pharmaceutical industry, in their presentation to you last week, may have suggested that CADTH is usurping the powers of this committee by unilaterally announcing the expansion of the CDR. Let me set the record straight since we, the deputies, are perplexed by this interpretation.

A staged expansion of the CDR was one of the highlights of the National Pharmaceuticals Strategy: Progress Report, released on September 21, 2006. That report states that expansion of the common drug review was a key recommendation made by the federal-provincial-territorial ministerial task force comprising Canada's ministers of health and co-chaired by the Honourable Tony Clement.

In February 2007, at the request of the CDM and based upon this recommendation from the national pharmaceuticals strategy, the expansion of the CDR to include new indications for all drugs was approved. Funding agreements to expand the program commencing April 2007 were recently finalized, hence the announcement from CADTH to its stakeholders.

We felt it was important for you to be aware of this information, Mr. Chair.

CADTH has a liaison deputy minister who is appointed by virtue of which jurisdiction the chair of the CADTH board comes from. The board of directors meets a minimum of three times a year, and the board chair reports to the CADTH liaison deputy minister after each of these meetings.

The role of the CADTH board of directors is to govern the affairs of CADTH; provide strategic direction and counsel; ensure the necessary resources are in place to meet CADTH's mandate; and provide oversight to financial management, risk identification, and evaluation. Through the governance structure I've just described, it is clear that CADTH is accountable to the Canadian governments that established it, and their continued support demonstrates their confidence in CADTH's ability to deliver on its mandate and meet the needs of Canada's health care decision-makers.

The final area I wish to speak about is expenditures and funding, specifically related to the CDR program you are studying. CDR was established in 2003 with a budget of $2 million per year. The volume of work CDR performs is determined by the number of drugs submitted to it by industry and by the participating drug plans. Its expenditures grew, on the basis of the volume of work related to these submissions, to $3.4 million for the last two years.

As I mentioned earlier, the CDM requested an expansion of the CDR to include new indications for old drugs and to implement further transparency initiatives. Accordingly, CADTH's annual budget for CDR is now $5.1 million. The funding formula for the CDR program is 70% provincial-territorial and 30% federal contributions.

The Conference of Deputy Ministers is very pleased with the progress made by the CDR over the last three years. The consolidation of the 18 separate drug plan processes into one process has reduced duplication of clinical and economic reviews, improved the quality and consistency of reviews and recommendations, and finally, contributed to improved standardization of drug coverage across the country. In doing so, the CDR has met the objectives set out by the CDM.

The CDR program is not only working, it is working well. Yes, there are challenges, and no doubt you'll hear about those challenges in just a few moments from Dr. Sanders; however, CADTH has shown us that they have evolved and continue to evolve to meet these challenges.

Thank you, Mr. Chair, for permitting me to speak to your committee today. I'll welcome your questions at the appropriate moment.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rob Merrifield

Thank you very much.

To let the committee know, normally when we start into a study of this kind we have the agency, which you are, come forward and explain the situation. You have the opportunity to do that now. You couldn't make it at the beginning so you had the opportunity to address some of the questions that were brought up by previous individuals who testified before the committee. It's a bit of an advantage to you, which is fine, because we're not looking for anyone to get an advantage; we're looking for answers. So I appreciate your dealing with some of those.

With that, we'll move on to Jill Sanders, who is here with the Canadian Agency for Drugs and Technologies in Health, or CADTH. The floor is yours.

3:40 p.m.

Dr. Jill Sanders President and Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Agency for Drugs and Technologies in Health

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am delighted to be here.

Good afternoon, and thank you for inviting the Canadian Agency for Drugs and Technologies in Health to present our work to you within the context of the common drug review.

I am Jill Sanders, the president and CEO of CADTH. I'm joined today by Mike Tierney, who is our vice-president for the common drug review; and Dr. Braden Manns, who is a specialist in kidney diseases, an associate professor at the University of Calgary, and the chair of CEDAC, the expert advisory committee to the CDR.

Background information on the common drug review was provided to you in our written submission document, so I'm here today to expand further on some of the points therein.

In our publicly funded health systems in Canada, achieving the balance of optimized care, accessibility, equitability, affordability, and sustainability for all Canadians is, of course, what we all strive for. This means that difficult decisions must be made throughout the systems, and the role of the common drug review is to assist with the decision-making around pharmaceuticals.

As we all know, pharmaceuticals contribute to improved health outcomes for Canadians, but they're also the fastest-growing cost component of the system. This highlights the importance of rigorously reviewing the clinical and cost-effectiveness of drugs.

Let me begin by clarifying the role of the CDR in relation to Health Canada. Health Canada is responsible for ensuring that marketed drugs in Canada meet standards of safety, quality of manufacturing, and efficacy. In contrast, the CDR provides advice to public players about the clinical and cost-effectiveness of a given therapy against other therapies so that the public funds may be optimally used.

Health Canada's approval for the marketing of a drug does not automatically mean that the drug is the best option within the broader context of the health care system. So following the Health Canada approval for the sale of a drug, those providing health care services must decide whether to utilize the drug. These decisions, of course, are the responsibility of the provincial, territorial, and federal drug plans. These drug plans have operated processes for many years and make decisions based on exactly the same type of process that CDR uses.

The processes that have been used for decades include the assessment of both clinical and cost-effectiveness. So the CDR is not a new concept. In terms of its mandate, it processes, and its outputs, it performs assessments of clinical and cost-effectiveness just as the drug plans have always done. These assessments are considered by a committee of experts, CEDAC, who make the recommendations, just as the drug plans have done over the years.

So the newness of CDR relates to the fact that it was created by 18 publicly funded drug plans in Canada to perform exactly the work they had each been doing independently prior to its creation. Prior to CDR, a drug might undergo 18 reviews, and drug coverage was consequently not the same for all Canadians.

The CDR reduces duplication of effort across the provincial, territorial, and federal drug plans, and importantly, it makes significant contribution to equitable access to pharmaceuticals across Canada. Why is this the case? Because participating drug plans now have equal access to high-level evidence and expert advice from CDR, which leads to more consistent decisions. While CDR provides formulary recommendations for listing, of course the final decisions do rest with the drug plans, taking into consideration their jurisdictional needs, priorities, and resources.

I'd like to take a moment to talk about the importance of both clinical effectiveness and cost-effectiveness. Before the cost-effectiveness of a drug is considered, the drug must first be shown to be clinically effective and demonstrate improved health care outcomes. In other words, clinical effectiveness is the first consideration. The definition of cost-effectiveness can vary depending on your point of view, but the central concept is value for money. The internationally accepted standard for expressing cost-effectiveness is called the QALY, or the quality-adjusted life year, the cost per QALY.

The cost per QALY allows us to calculate the cost of a new drug relative to improvements in survival and quality of life. In fact, an expensive drug can still be cost-effective. For example, Prezista is a drug for the treatment of HIV infection, and that received a conditional listing from Health Canada in terms of being marketed in Canada. It costs approximately $10,000 a year per patient. The CDR recommended that it be listed for patients with HIV infection who had failed on other therapies.

On the other hand, a relatively inexpensive drug may not be cost-effective if it doesn't offer improvements in health outcomes compared to a less costly treatment. CDR has seen examples of these as well.

I'd now like to highlight some aspects of the CDR process, in addition to the information we provided in our submission.

CDR's aggressive timelines are based on the best practices of the provincial drug plans, and CDR has consistently met all these timelines. The average total time from the Health Canada approval of a drug to its listing on a formulary has changed from 471 days before CDR to 479 days. So CDR has not had an impact on this timeframe. In fact, CDR represents about one-third of this time, with 140 to 180 days. It's important to remember that once CDR has released a recommendation it is the drug plans that make the decisions as to whether to list the drug. The timeframe for this remains the responsibility of each drug plan, and CDR has no role in this process. Rigorous scientific and technical processes are important to ensure accuracy in the recommendations made and also to ensure fairness to the public served. Equally important is that the processes be as transparent as possible.

Prior to the CDR, provincial drug plans did not provide an opportunity for manufacturers to comment on the reviews upon which recommendations were based, and none of them publicly released reasons for their recommendations. Today, manufacturers review and provide feedback on CDR reports, and this time is built into the timeline for CDR to give manufacturers time to do this. Also, the status of all submissions, as well as the detailed CDR recommendations and the reasons for their recommendations, are posted on the CADTH website.

The CDR has set new standards of transparency for drug reimbursement in Canada and abroad, and it continues to make enhancements. In fact, based on the evaluation of CDR from 2005, there were recommendations that further steps be taken to improve transparency. Canada has responded by appointing two public representatives to CEDAC—voting members. Furthermore, as part of the budget expansion that Mr. Wright just mentioned, CADTH is implementing plans this year to publish lay versions of CDR recommendations, to publish the reviews upon which those recommendations are based, and to publish the minutes of the CEDAC meetings.

Given it's impact on public reimbursement, CDR attracts considerable attention and some criticism, particularly from the pharmaceutical industry. I'd like to address a few of these.

There have been claims that the drug plans do not follow CDR recommendations. As I said earlier, drug plans make their own decisions regarding reimbursement of drugs, and they're certainly not bound to follow CDR recommendations. However, to date, the drug plan decisions that have been made have followed the CDR recommendations in 90% of the cases. There are some exceptions, obviously, for the 10%, and what this shows is that drug plans take into account the local jurisdictional considerations.

There's also been some concern voiced that CDR is a barrier to access for new drugs. There isn't any evidence that CDR has created a new or more challenging threshold for drug access compared to what was in place before CDR existed. In fact, in the five years preceding CDR, the largest drug plan in Ontario listed 44% of the drugs that they reviewed. To date, the CDR rate for positive recommendations is approximately 50%.

It is also argued that CDR recommends fewer drugs than international comparatives. A study commissioned by Rx&D reported that CDR approved 52%, which I just reported, of the 50 drugs reviewed to date at the time of that review. But they also reported that this is significantly lower than for many other countries. The Rx&D study is based on very selectively chosen statistics for the other countries and it's intended to tell a particular story. In fact, the study shows that the positive recommendation rate for CDR is in the mid-range of all countries and in fact is higher than countries with similar health systems, such as Australia and New Zealand.

One must be very careful when doing such a comparative study. For instance, some countries may list a drug, but for only partial reimbursement, where the remainder is paid by the patient. For example, France has a three-level reimbursement model. Other countries undertake national price negotiations, which influence reimbursement decisions.

So the question is whether Canada is out of step globally in terms of access to drug therapies. In our opinion, this is not the case. Critics have claimed that CDR focuses on cost control and does not recommend innovative drugs. In fact, CDR has recommended expensive drugs that demonstrate improved drug outcomes, and it's clear that drug cost alone does not drive CDR recommendations. However, there are categories of drugs that do not fit well with the existing CDR process and for which another approach might well be an optimum approach. Such examples are expensive drugs for rare diseases, which I think you have heard about before today.

However, the national pharmaceutical strategy task group is working on this challenging issue and has been assigned to report to the Conference of Deputy Ministers this June 2007. So we await that report, and CADTH looks forward to continuing to work with NPS and the Conference of Deputy Ministers to implement its recommendations, which may include a specialized process at CDR for expensive drugs for rare diseases.

Finally, the pharmaceutical industry has cited concerns about the request for a reconsideration process. With the three years of experience we have with CDR now, a review of this process might well be appropriate at this point.

The challenges in the field of drug assessment and reimbursement, of course, are not unique to Canada. CADTH is very active internationally and is regarded as the gold standard in its field. We work closely with governments and agencies around the world on tackling the challenges we face.

There are many stakeholders in CDR: the public; health professionals; the pharmaceutical industry; and CADTH's owners, the federal, provincial, and territorial governments. While we recognize there will always be tension between the pharmaceutical industry and CDR, we will continue to engage the industry and stakeholders through regular meetings, liaison groups, and working groups.

The vision and mandate for CDR came first from the first ministers of health to establish a consistent and rigorous approach to drug reviews, to reduce duplication across publicly funded plans, to maximize limited resources and expertise, and to provide equal access to that expert advice.

In the three years since CDR was established, CADTH has fulfilled its mandate, and it's committed to a vision of a common national formulary that can be achieved through a staged expansion of CDR. CADTH continues to be well positioned to support the objective of the federal, provincial, and territorial governments to rigorously evaluate new technologies and to provide Canadians with equitable and affordable access to drug treatments.

The CDR continues to evolve in response to direction from its owners, the Conference of Deputy Ministers of Health.

Thank you for allowing us to present today. We welcome your questions.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rob Merrifield

Thank you very much for your testimony. I see you have with you the vice-president of the common drug review, Mike Tierney, and Braden Manns, chair of the Canadian Expert Drug Advisory Committee, is with you as well.

Now we'll go to our final presenter from British Columbia, Robert Nakagawa.

3:55 p.m.

Robert Nakagawa Assistant Deputy Minister, Pharmaceutical Services, British Columbia Ministry of Health

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rob Merrifield

Thank you for being here. You're the assistant deputy minister of pharmaceutical services. The floor is yours.

3:55 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Pharmaceutical Services, British Columbia Ministry of Health

Robert Nakagawa

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. I really do appreciate the opportunity to appear before you and provide you with my perspectives and the perspectives of British Columbia on the common drug review and CADTH.

By way of background, I'm a pharmacist by training and have practised in hospital and government settings for the last 27 years. I'm currently, as you mentioned, the assistant deputy minister for pharmaceutical services within the Ministry of Health in British Columbia.

As part of that role, I am also serving as the co-chair of the task force for the national pharmaceutical strategy. British Columbia is co-leading that initiative, as requested by the first ministers, to advance issues of common concern in pharmaceuticals across this country. CADTH, the CDR process, plays a very important role in this.

I will not be reading my written submission; I trust you received it in both English and French. Rather than do that, I thought I would highlight some of my perspectives and allow the committee the opportunity to ask any questions they would like, for clarification or additional information from my perspective.

I bring the perspective of an individual who is responsible for the publicly funded drug program in British Columbia as well as for the drugs used in hospitals and otherwise publicly paid for. In British Columbia, that amounts to over $1 billion per year.

We view this as a very important investment in the health of British Columbians. Drug therapy is the cornerstone of modern therapy, and we feel we must invest wisely in drug therapy. We view the CDR, the common drug review, as a bit of insurance to make sure we invest wisely in therapies to advance the health of British Columbians. The CDR is truly federal-provincial-territorial initiative that works; it works well for all of the partners involved. We feel we get much value out of the investment we provide as a province.

As Doctor Sanders alluded to earlier, prior to the CDR process each jurisdiction undertook its own method of reviewing new drugs for consideration within its drug plans. To varying degrees there was more or less rigour applied to those processes. Different decisions were often arrived at between the jurisdictions because of different approaches to the drug review process. There were inconsistencies.

At the time, the jurisdictions felt this was not in the best interest of Canadians. We felt that by pooling our resources and working together we would be able to improve the rigour applied to the drug review process to provide some consistency of information that then could be viewed and interpreted by clinical experts, with advice being provided to jurisdictions to make their final decisions. Really, that was the reason we came together for the common drug review.

The other circumstance we were experiencing in those days was that in cases where different jurisdictions were coming to different decisions on drugs, the manufacturers whose products were being reviewed would take decisions in those provinces that had positive listing decisions and leverage them against the provinces that came to a different conclusion. There are significant discrepancies in the decisions across the country that resulted from the individual reviews.

With the common drug review, the intent was to try to create at least a common informational base for consideration across the country. We recognize that while the drugs are used in various jurisdictions, the information about those drugs is truly international literature.

So the literature is the same and can be viewed the same across all jurisdictions; the drugs are the same; the basic human conditions are the same. That all led us to believe that the common drug review would be the best way to move forward, and we believe it has attained those objectives.

British Columbia, as well as the other provinces I've spoken to, are extremely pleased with the current common drug review and we provide ongoing support for it, both in terms of input and feedback on an ongoing basis as well as through the governance that Deputy Minister Wright has advised you of.

Through the national pharmaceutical strategy, we've recognized that the common drug review is a key element of our pharmaceutical system in Canada. In our progress with the national pharmaceutical strategy, we have recommended the common drug review be strengthened and expanded beyond its original scope. Initially, the scope of the common drug review was for new drugs being brought into Canada for their initial purpose, or as we name it, their initial indication. Recently, deputy ministers have endorsed the expansion of the common drug review to include new indications for drugs already listed on the various formularies. That expansion is expected to happen this year.

With that, I'll conclude my remarks by saying that the common drug review is a process that was truly federal-provincial-territorial in nature, a true collaboration that has worked well for all partners across the country, and we wholeheartedly support its ongoing mandate.

Thank you.

4 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rob Merrifield

Thank you very much.

Now we will move on to the question part of our meeting. We will start off with Mrs. Bonnie Brown. The floor is yours. You have 10 minutes.

4 p.m.

Liberal

Bonnie Brown Liberal Oakville, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'll carry on with Mr. Nakagawa for a minute, seeing he was the last speaker.

Mr. Nakagawa, do you have a figure that could tell us how much B.C. was spending on its own drug review process before the common drug review? What I'm really looking for is how much is B.C. saving now that the CDR is doing a certain amount of work for it?

4:05 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Pharmaceutical Services, British Columbia Ministry of Health

Robert Nakagawa

I don't have that number at my fingertips, and it is hard to separate the cost of each component of the pharmaceutical system. The other complication in trying to do that sort of analysis is that the system has changed substantially since prior to the CDR. We've found an ever-increasing number and complexity of drugs, and at least in British Columbia, we have tried to use some of the resources that have been made available through the work being done by the common drug review for other initiatives within the province. So as we move forward, we have been looking at the issue of new indications for the old drugs and paying more attention to that. We've been enhancing our drug consideration for drug classes and those sorts of initiatives that we were not resourced for in the past.

So we don't have a clean number that I can provide you with at this point.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Bonnie Brown Liberal Oakville, ON

Okay. You point out that approximately 50% of the recommendations from the common drug review have supported the reimbursement of the drug applied for. I'm wondering if you know what B.C.'s rate of recommendation for approval of reimbursement was prior to the CDR?

4:05 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Pharmaceutical Services, British Columbia Ministry of Health

Robert Nakagawa

Again, I can't tell you that figure off the top. We have a rigorous process and we certainly have supported the recommendations coming from the common drug review, so I would say they are very consistent with our values and the type of information. In British Columbia, we also had a very similar approach in the way we appraised the literature and considered the evidence. So I would expect that the number would be somewhat similar.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Bonnie Brown Liberal Oakville, ON

Can I ask you this? It seems to me that B.C. is leading the nation in cancer care. We've heard that in the past on other topics; people have said how well you're doing out there. Did you apply to get the joint oncology drug review program when it was being suggested at the CDR, or CADTH, or wherever it was being suggested?

4:05 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Pharmaceutical Services, British Columbia Ministry of Health

Robert Nakagawa

I can start with that, and others may want to comment as well.

The joint oncology drug review process was initiated with many of the same principles as the common drug review. In fact, as that process moves along, the intention is for it to become part of the common drug review process.

It started with the western provinces identifying a need for some collaboration in the area of oncology. Saskatchewan and Manitoba both felt they had a need to advance in this area and were willing to spearhead the expansion. The common drug review had never included cancer drugs as part of its mandate because it was not within the mandate of the program.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Bonnie Brown Liberal Oakville, ON

Yes, but excuse me, because you're going around the question.

4:05 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Pharmaceutical Services, British Columbia Ministry of Health

Robert Nakagawa

Okay, I'm sorry.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Bonnie Brown Liberal Oakville, ON

The question is, once they decided to have a joint oncology drug review, did B.C. apply to get it? We understand that it's now gone to the province of Ontario.

4:05 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Pharmaceutical Services, British Columbia Ministry of Health

Robert Nakagawa

Okay, the way it worked was that the provinces agreed there would be a joint oncology review. Ontario offered to have their drug review serve as the basis for that joint initiative. Since that time, British Columbia has also joined the initiative, because we felt that the information coming from the joint oncology review could inform the process for the B.C. Cancer Agency as well as it would in other parts of the country.

I'm not sure if that answers your question sufficiently or if I've misinterpreted the question.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Bonnie Brown Liberal Oakville, ON

We had planned to do this review, and we took a little bit longer on our obesity study than we meant to, but the word was out that we were going to study the CDR. And about one week before we began these hearings, the CDR announced an expansion, with a budget increase of more than 150%, from about $2 million a year to $5.1 million.

Knowing the committee was about to conduct a parliamentary review of the operation, why would you—I don't know who announced it, CADTH or the council, or whoever it was—announce this expansion before we'd had a chance even to evaluate the effectiveness of your process?

4:05 p.m.

Co-Chair and Deputy Minister, Saskatchewan Health, Government of Saskatchewan, Conference of Deputy Ministers of Health

John Wright

Mr. Chair, if I may, that's an interesting question. In fact, as part of the release of the report of Federal/Provincial/Territorial Ministerial Task Force on the National Pharmaceuticals Strategy in September 2006, it was noted that we would be expanding the CDR to new indications for old drugs. The deputy ministers of the provinces, territories, and the federal government, who are the owners of this, reviewed the situation in December and directed that the expansion should occur. Preliminary budget estimates were considered.

The long and short of this is that it was significantly in advance of this committee giving consideration to the CDR process.

4:10 p.m.

Liberal

Bonnie Brown Liberal Oakville, ON

Thank you.

I just have one more question for Mr. Wright. In his submission on page 3, it says, “The volume of work CDR performs is determined by the number of drugs that are submitted to it by industry—” We have heard in other meetings—not so much on this topic—that the volume of new drugs coming through the pipeline has diminished considerably in the last few years. So if in fact the number of new drugs coming forward is diminishing, how could the volume of work be going up and therefore require this increase in the budget from $2 million to $3.4 million for the last two years?

4:10 p.m.

Co-Chair and Deputy Minister, Saskatchewan Health, Government of Saskatchewan, Conference of Deputy Ministers of Health

John Wright

If I may, I can provide a preliminary indication and then turn it over to my colleague.

As I mentioned, the budget has been increased predominantly to deal with new indications for old drugs that were not previously considered by the CDR; hence, the increase to the $5.1 million budget. That's incremental or new work—old drugs, new indications.

4:10 p.m.

Liberal

Bonnie Brown Liberal Oakville, ON

Okay. Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

Does anybody else want to comment?

4:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rob Merrifield

We have another answer.

Mr. Tierney.