Yes, and I have to say, Mr. Chair, that it's a bit frustrating. We've had so many witnesses and so many questions that this can't possibly be done this morning.
I'm very grateful, Dr. Levy and Dr. Shapiro, for your suggesting very clear recommendations on what you would like to see from this committee's report from this morning in terms of either a task force or certainly the call to have the regulations consistent with science and the practical, on-the-ground reality.
As much as I have sympathy for Ms. Gillham-Eisen's story of her son, I also think that most of the time, to be a clinician and to have to turn down an organ for what you know is a monogamous gay man, it seems ridiculous that we would actually have to go through.... You know, two of my best friends have been together as long as my husband and I have, for 29 years. They know perfectly well the sexual habits of one another. I just don't understand how we could end up, literally, with tough cases making bad law.
I have no idea where the science has come for most of the annex. What happens if the kids had been vaccinated against hepatitis? What if, in terms of people...know the behaviour of somebody in a prison? It just seems to be so wide, and then you are stuck having to go through all of this exception stuff to be able to turn down an organ. So I am a bit lost here.
I have been a minister where, when the department said they had consulted, I would spend my next two weeks finding out that the people who should have been consulted hadn't been consulted.
So I am not happy with this. I think it's almost impossible to do this today.
I would love recommendations, from any of you, on where you think we go from here in terms of putting the evidence back in instead of ideology, and in terms of real risk. The fact is that we are grown-ups. If my son needed an organ, I hope it would be done through consultations by Dr. Levy and Dr. Shapiro, not some list of things designed in some committee somewhere. So I expect that you would let us decide together whether or not we see this as an acceptable risk for the organ that's forthcoming.
Please let me know what you think we should do next.