Yes, this is an area of significant challenge. You think of the accord just starting in 2003, but it isn't a great length of time that's been associated with attempting to get these indicators in place.
Despite the challenges, I think there have been some promising results. For example, there was an article in The Globe and Mail this morning that identified the initiatives that are taken on the pan-Canadian effort to try to better understand the issues around neonatal mortality within the aboriginal communities. That conversation requires, of course, the clear definition of what is meant by health within the aboriginal communities, as well as taking those definitions, turning them into indicators, and then standardizing them across the country.
That conversation has not yet taken place, and that is something I think this committee may want to encourage facilitation of. Dr. Besner and Ms. Yeates have indicated that we are at the beginning of being able to understand where we are with cataract, hip, and cardiac surgery, so in these other areas we have to make some significant advances and introduce these conversations so that we can provide the information you're seeking.