If 5% are happening there, then that goes to say that 95% aren't, but I think the problem is that this is not surprising. Probably there needs to be more discussion and objectivity than there was. For quite a few years—and I'll say this from personal experience, and it's the truth—if you didn't agree with harm reduction, you weren't at the table, especially in British Columbia.
That pre-buying into the philosophy makes one defensive of anything it has. That's human nature. I like Chevrolets and I'll defend them even if they're junk. Likewise, I suppose, on a more serious level, I'll defend prevention, and some people may not like primary prevention. I love it.
Likewise, I don't have anything against that, but when it's unilateral and you exclude and put down and even threaten the people who disagree with you, then you're not interested, I don't think, in that 95% and whether we can do better.
One thing I want to say is that the sad status quo we're talking about—and by the way, nobody here thinks anyone in the downtown eastside or anywhere should.... I would love to help them; we're not talking about letting people die. I think there are better ways that haven't been looked at.
There was no control group, there was no other intervention, and the status quo was created by years of not doing anything about treatment. So it's a little bit hypocritical to trash the status quo that was set, because for years you've been talking about harm reduction and were not really interested in treatment. That's what's happened.