Thank you.
From the outset, Dr. Butler-Jones told us that you had looked at legislation in other countries to get an idea of what aspects could be included in Bill C-11. However, the scientists have shown us that the list is much shorter in the United States and that we should perhaps move in that direction rather than the much more rigid structure of Bill C-11.
Just now, the scientists told us that, because of the proposed fines, they feel that they are under attack, even before the bill is passed. They are already being treated like criminals. As you know, people have to be found guilty before they can be fined. We must not forget that legislation exists to be used.
I am surprised by one thing. Fines can be imposed, but on whom? Is it the universities, the hospitals, the professors? We all know that this is provincial jurisdiction.
On the one hand, you tell me that the legislation will not be challenged, that it will move forward and that the provinces see no problem with it. On the other hand, who gets fined? If we start fining hospitals and universities, we are going right into provincial jurisdiction, it seems to me.