Evidence of meeting #3 for Health in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was million.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Morris Rosenberg  Deputy Minister, Department of Health
David Butler-Jones  Chief Public Health Officer, Public Health Agency of Canada
Anne-Marie Robinson  Assistant Deputy Minister, Department of Health
Meena Ballantyne  Assistant Deputy Minister of Health

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Deputy Minister, Department of Health

Morris Rosenberg

I cannot make that undertaking. I'll have to speak to my minister about that, and we will provide it as soon as we can.

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NDP

Judy Wasylycia-Leis NDP Winnipeg North, MB

All right, Mr. Rosenberg.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joy Smith

Ms. Wasylycia-Leis--

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NDP

Judy Wasylycia-Leis NDP Winnipeg North, MB

Thank you.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joy Smith

--excuse me.

Dr. Butler-Jones, did you have a comment?

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Chief Public Health Officer, Public Health Agency of Canada

Dr. David Butler-Jones

I was just saying the minister had made a commitment and her will is to come back to committee on those items.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joy Smith

Absolutely.

Ms. Wasylycia-Leis.

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NDP

Judy Wasylycia-Leis NDP Winnipeg North, MB

Dr. Butler-Jones, could you tell us whether or not the community action program for children will continue after this fiscal year?

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Chief Public Health Officer, Public Health Agency of Canada

Dr. David Butler-Jones

We've already committed through 2010; 2010 is the time when all the authorities expire and we have to renegotiate the authorities, but there is no plan to do anything other than continue at this moment.

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NDP

Judy Wasylycia-Leis NDP Winnipeg North, MB

Can I just have some assurances that nowhere on the list of cutbacks appears the centres of excellence for women's health?

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joy Smith

Who would like to answer that question? Mr. Rosenberg, would you like to make a comment?

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Deputy Minister, Department of Health

Morris Rosenberg

Yes. I believe women's programs will continue as they are.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joy Smith

Thank you.

Ms. Wasylycia-Leis.

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NDP

Judy Wasylycia-Leis NDP Winnipeg North, MB

Thank you. I'm looking forward to that complete list so we can complete the estimates process. I don't think any of us wants to sign off on anything until we get the complete story.

On aboriginal health, Mr. Rosenberg, you talked about $135 million in terms of infrastructure investment for nurses, residents, and health clinics. You know and I know--we all know--there's a huge nurse shortage on reserves. How are we going to train the nurses and get them in place at the same time that we're going to have these residences up and running, which I assume is in short order given the statements by the government?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Department of Health

Anne-Marie Robinson

Thank you, Madam Chair. I'd be pleased to respond to that question.

In terms of investments in infrastructure, it's for health facilities and nursing residences, including a lot of repairs to existing residences. You're right, it is a challenge to hire nurses, so we have invested a lot in recruitment and training of nurses. We're taking initiatives now, working provincially, and we have different strategies in different provinces, depending on what the needs are. We're also working on retention strategies, improving our housing, and our training for nurses, so we are seized with these issues.

A lot of the money isn't just for hiring nurses; it's also to ensure there are other supports in place. For example, we're looking at potentially changing the mix of nurses and hiring other professionals like health paramedics to assist nurses in doing their work.

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NDP

Judy Wasylycia-Leis NDP Winnipeg North, MB

Is there a budget line for hiring and retention of nurses and other professionals on aboriginal first nations?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Department of Health

Anne-Marie Robinson

A budget line?

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NDP

Judy Wasylycia-Leis NDP Winnipeg North, MB

Yes. Is there an amount of money set aside for this?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Department of Health

Anne-Marie Robinson

Yes, there is. Out of the $305 million, there is $30 million a year for improving nursing. In addition, in Budget 2008 there was another $34 million invested over five years for training, recruitment, and retention of nurses. So altogether we have a total investment of $95 million.

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NDP

Judy Wasylycia-Leis NDP Winnipeg North, MB

Over five years.

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Department of Health

Anne-Marie Robinson

The $60 million is over two years and the $35 million is over five years.

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NDP

Judy Wasylycia-Leis NDP Winnipeg North, MB

It sounds like a pretty small amount for such a big problem, but I won't ask you to comment on that.

Before you go, I'd like to ask about how much money has been recouped from the millions of dollars that were robbed out of the system by the former director of the Virginia Fontaine Addictions Treatment Foundation at Sagkeeng.

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Department of Health

Anne-Marie Robinson

I don't have the total. All I can say is that Health Canada takes this situation very seriously, and we are doing everything possible to recover funds for the taxpayer.

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NDP

Judy Wasylycia-Leis NDP Winnipeg North, MB

Can you get back to us with an amount of money recouped?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Department of Health