Thank you for clearing that up. I have another question.
Mr. Brenders, you were cut off as well, and I think with your organization, you represent a whole group. There has been some concern that if you have industry on a council like this, it can be detrimental. But we've heard from other witnesses last time that places like Australia, U.K., and Ireland all have private sector representation. I know the research and development investment went up astronomically in Ireland.
I was wondering what you say to people who say these boards are prisoner to the private sector once they have a private sector person on the board.