Evidence of meeting #11 for Health in the 40th Parliament, 3rd session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was point.
A recording is available from Parliament.
Chief Public Health Officer, Public Health Agency of Canada
With the review of world capacity, there was the study that confirmed the observations of scientists, including our own experience that we'd have no difficulty getting capacity in order to produce our pilot lot of vaccines.
Liberal
Joyce Murray Liberal Vancouver Quadra, BC
Did you do an independent verification of the results of that study?
Chief Public Health Officer, Public Health Agency of Canada
We looked at the study. We reviewed the study.
We worked with the Gates Foundation. The original need was identified by the Gates Foundation. They've now identified that there isn't a need. It correlates with our experience.
Liberal
Joyce Murray Liberal Vancouver Quadra, BC
The answer is that there is no independent verification of capacity.
Chief Public Health Officer, Public Health Agency of Canada
What kind of independent verification do you need beyond the capacity being there?
That's what we are experiencing. Why would you make any different decision? Why would you delay important decisions when you can move on if the capacity is there. How many repeat studies do we need?
Chief Public Health Officer, Public Health Agency of Canada
It's not flawed.
Chief Public Health Officer, Public Health Agency of Canada
It talks about the deficiencies in any study, but they're not relevant to the outcome.
Conservative
Colin Carrie Conservative Oshawa, ON
Thank you very much, Madam Chair.
I want to start off by correcting some of the statements that were made a little earlier by the member from Winnipeg. She stated that she's not on a witch hunt and she hasn't been playing politics. I would say that she's been playing politics all along. If you look at the last couple of meetings, what she said on the record is interesting. She's questioned the integrity of our ministers.
Liberal
Carolyn Bennett Liberal St. Paul's, ON
Madam Chair, I don't think you can impugn people's motivations.
Conservative
Colin Carrie Conservative Oshawa, ON
I'm not. I'm only repeating the facts.
She's questioned the integrity of both the witnesses we have in front of us. She's also said there have been conflicting facts. There have been no conflicting facts.
Liberal
Conservative
Colin Carrie Conservative Oshawa, ON
I am using my time.
Factual statements have been put forward. The only conflict has been from hearsay and third-party information. She's been using the term “belief” because there are no facts.
Conservative
Colin Carrie Conservative Oshawa, ON
I'd like Dr. Butler-Jones to have the opportunity to answer. I know he's gone over this before, but he's been interrupted a number of times.
With these two distinguished gentlemen in front of us today, I'd like to say that I'm very proud to be a Canadian. I'm very proud of the work Canada is doing and the work they are doing.
Again, I was upset when the member from Winnipeg actually said during the last meeting that she was embarrassed to be a Canadian. Gentlemen like this make me very proud to be a Canadian.
My first question, Dr. Butler-Jones, is on the application process.
NDP
Judy Wasylycia-Leis NDP Winnipeg North, MB
Could I say that I think this is getting a little close to innuendo and playing politics--
Conservative
Colin Carrie Conservative Oshawa, ON
That's not a point of order, Madam Chair. I'm only repeating the facts.
