Evidence of meeting #4 for Health in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was rcmp.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Sergeant Murray Brown  Staff Relations Representative, Occupational Health & Safety, Royal Canadian Mounted Police
Superintendent Alain Tousignant  Acting Assistant Chief Human Resources Officer and Chief Learning Officer, Royal Canadian Mounted Police
Paulette Smith  As an Individual
H.W. Jung  Director General of Health Services, Commander of the Canadian Forces Health Services Group, Surgeon General and Queens Honorary Physician, Department of National Defence
Janet Bax  Executive Director, Federal Healthcare Partnership Secretariat, Department of Veterans Affairs
Hilary Flett  Manager, Office of Health Human Resources, Federal Healthcare Partnership Secretariat, Department of Veterans Affairs
Rich Boughen  Acting Director General, Occupational Health and Safety Branch, Royal Canadian Mounted Police

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Liberal

Joyce Murray Liberal Vancouver Quadra, BC

“--and that the government should--”

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joy Smith

I'm going to ask you to stop. We're going to ask for unanimous consent to go ahead with this motion.

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Liberal

Joyce Murray Liberal Vancouver Quadra, BC

I'll just complete the motion, Madam Chair.

“--that the Canadian government should--“

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joy Smith

Do we have unanimous consent for this motion?

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Liberal

Joyce Murray Liberal Vancouver Quadra, BC

“--refrain from advancing the failed right-wing ideologies--“

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joy Smith

Is there consent?

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Some hon. members

No.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joy Smith

Now we're going to go on with....

Ms. Murray, do you have a question? I'll start your time over.

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Liberal

Joyce Murray Liberal Vancouver Quadra, BC

Thank you.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joy Smith

Dr. Duncan, you start, please.

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An hon. member

We did not have unanimous consent?

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A voice

No.

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Liberal

Kirsty Duncan Liberal Etobicoke North, ON

Thank you, Madam Chair, and thank you all.

I appreciate that Mr. Stoffer recognized everyone.

I'd like to particularly recognize Ms. Smith. You had a very difficult job to do today. It took tremendous courage, and I thank you for sharing about your husband. I will keep his picture--the gentle giant with the beautiful smile. So thank you.

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Some hon. members

Hear, hear.

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Liberal

Kirsty Duncan Liberal Etobicoke North, ON

I'm really concerned about this issue, and I'd like to ask how many mental health professionals are currently employed by the RCMP.

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Insp Rich Boughen

There are approximately 14, one per division, more or less. But again, they're not psychologists who offer treatment. They are people who are more in the area of looking at trends for things like undercover operations, integrated child exploitation units, assessing those particular people in high-risk areas.

10:50 a.m.

Liberal

Kirsty Duncan Liberal Etobicoke North, ON

So 14 psychologists for how many RCMP officers?

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Insp Rich Boughen

There are roughly 19,000.

Our treatment needs go out to the community, so we look for both mental health issues and physical health issues to be done at the community level.

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Liberal

Kirsty Duncan Liberal Etobicoke North, ON

That's a staggering statistic. How many of those 14 are clinical psychologists?

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Insp Rich Boughen

I don't have that information before me.

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Liberal

Kirsty Duncan Liberal Etobicoke North, ON

How many OSIs are we looking at per year?

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Insp Rich Boughen

We don't have that information presently. As Staff Sergeant Brown said, I can tell you that we have a number of people who have applied for pensions through Veterans Affairs for an operational stress injury, but I don't have the number who are diagnosed with operational stress injuries.

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Liberal

Kirsty Duncan Liberal Etobicoke North, ON

Is that being tracked somewhere? What is the trend for that?

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Insp Rich Boughen

Presently our systems aren't allowing us to do that.

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Liberal

Kirsty Duncan Liberal Etobicoke North, ON

Okay.

Can you take us through the process of someone coming forward and not feeling particularly well? What happens from that point?