Cathy McLeod at the Health Committee

The second thing is some sort of discussion around what is ultimately achievable. You gave an very powerful example of WestJet and every five days, and now as I reflect, I think yes, we can certainly reduce morbidity and mortality. What are the best countries in the world doing? Is their WestJet comparably every 10 days or every 15 days? It's probably a hard question to answer, but--