I'm quite sure I never said ceftiofur was given to adult birds. It is used in a widespread basis on eggs that don't show any particular sign of being ill. So it is used in a widespread way. It is a drug important for human use, so I don't understand how the chicken farmers can have their cake and eat it too.
On the one hand, they're saying they're being responsible and they're trying to steer away from drugs that are important to human medicine. On the other hand, they're admitting that they use this particular drug that's important for human medicine, for kids, in a widespread way on eggs that are not sick. So it's one or the other.
I just heard Mr. Dungate admit in response to Ms. Dhalla's question that nobody really does have a handle on over-the-counter antibiotics. So we cannot in Canada produce the kinds of statistics that Dr. Hansen and I have quoted from the United States and Australia. We don't know in Canada. We can't say whether 75% of antibiotics, excluding ionophores, are used on animals. We just don't have those numbers in Canada. That's a problem.