I had a quick question. I'm not trying to cause trouble, although that is not something I shy away from, but you were talking about how long this has been going on. I remember chairing a Canadian Medical Association committee in 1987 that talked about the fact that we were going to need primary care obstetricians—well, primary care people to do low- and medium-risk obstetrics.
Well, because everybody was 55, new people weren't coming into that. They didn't want it, and we've been trying since then. Nothing's happened, and we now have the problem that we don't have anybody doing primary obstetrics; we're just going to have to go straight to specialists.
I think the thing about it is it costs the system a lot more money to pay an obstetrician to deliver a low- or medium-risk baby and then for a pediatrician to do the well-baby care, which could be done in some places by nurse practitioners or by family physicians, but nobody wants to go into that.
So this is not simply a case of saying let's get a mix, let's pay off your students loans, let's help you with monetary incentives, and let's look at the disincentives.
How do you actually get groups of physicians to want to go into the labour-intensive, long hours of certain specialties that require that? You think you've just worked a long day, and the next thing it's three o'clock in the morning, and you get called out to deliver a baby, or your kid has a piano recital, and you're going out to deliver a baby. So people don't want to do it anymore because their lifestyles aren't doing it.
There has to be a solution to that, not simply financial or whatever; it's a lifestyle thing. Have you any suggestions for that?