Yes, thank you very much.
And thanks again, witnesses.
Dr. Sutherland, first, I just wanted you to elaborate on this pay-per-service versus salaries. I have friends who are medical doctors, and for them to have a full roster of geriatric patients...each patient takes half an hour. So it's hard to make a living. Basically, with a pay-per-visit service you can only see maybe 16 patients a day if you're totally booked. Some of these patients even take longer.
So I was wondering whether you see any solutions that we can look at for pay-per-service versus salaries.
The other question I had was for Dr. Guirguis, about the bundled services, and I can see there's again a bias. I'm a patient, I want to go to your clinic. If you're going to provide that service for me, yes, OHIP will pay you as the surgeon to do it, but then in a hospital, the operating room would be paid for, the doctor would be paid, and then the nurses would be paid, the follow-up care in the rooms afterwards for two or three days, whatever it is, would be covered.
You're absorbing some of that right now, but with this whole idea of bundled services, do you think with your innovative model of delivery, if bundled services were more available, that you could save the system money? Are there efficiencies to be had in that type of situation?
It's Dr. Sutherland first, then Dr. Guirguis second, if that's okay.