Thank you very much, Mr. Chairperson.
Thank you, Ms. Hopkins and Mr. Dinsdale, for two very informative and I would say comprehensive presentations. You covered a lot of ground. Thank you for providing that information. First of all, I want to say to both of you that I really appreciate and value the approach you take, which is based on community development and comprehensive overall wellness.
Carol, one of the issues that you touched on is moving from individuals to looking at families in communities and at outcomes. In one of the communities that I represent—the Downtown Eastside, where there's a high aboriginal population—that's absolutely the way we have to go. It doesn't really matter what program it is; it's the approach that's taken. I appreciate that you've put that point forward, and in the reports that you have done, it keeps coming through.
We have two national programs, the national native alcohol and drug abuse program and the youth solvent abuse program, which you mentioned. Then, of course, there's the non-Insured health benefits program. How well, if at all, do those programs reflect this approach that you are talking about?
What you are saying so clearly is critical, if we're going to change anything. Are those programs moving in this direction, would you say, or are we stalled? What can we do to encourage these national programs to reflect the delivery model and model of community ownership and development that you spoke about today?