First and foremost, I would disagree that the lobbyists have influence over us. I have to say that I'm invited to speak at a number of events over the course of a year as Canada's health minister and I'm very proud to do so.
When it comes to the national pharmacare program, if you were to see my notes—and I can provide them to the committee here—with respect to the message I gave to them, it's always the same message. It's always a very consistent message that our plan is to move forward with a national pharmacare program.