I started this job 13 years ago, and I have to say that negotiators then weren't as much in favour of a national formulary as they are today. With health and dental, if I look at all benefits, it's about 6% of payroll.
When we look at it as negotiators, that 6% that goes towards providing health and dental and other allied services could be put somewhere else. As I said in my introductory comments, we will negotiate whatever plans. My personal plan is very poor compared to others in what I can get for chiropractic and physio. It's limited to $500 a year, compared to others that have $2,000. You negotiate what you have.
BCNU's came about with negotiations, and they changed their negotiations. They decided that instead of a wage increase, they'd put their money toward a better plan. That's their decision, as well as other unions. If I look at Unifor, the largest private sector union in this country, they associate a national pharmacare savings of $1 to $2 per hour for workers, if we would have it, because medicare is about $5 to $6 per hour.