It's difficult when you're looking at the whole system to compare apples to apples, so I did want to dig in a little further on that as well.
What's the world of private insurance like in New Zealand? I know that in my community of Oshawa, a lot of union members have really great coverage. One of the criticisms I've heard of New Zealand, for example, is if a brand name drug or an innovative drug were desired by a patient, perhaps it would not be covered. I've heard of people going to Australia, for example, for treatment for certain things.
Can you comment on the role of the private system in New Zealand, please?