Right now there are about 35,000 Canadians who are volunteers at hospice palliative care programs in this country. It's a loose number, because there's no one database on that, but it's considerable. They take the training through the hospice palliative care programs.
As we push out this palliative approach to care, we really need to start to talk to all Canadians. It's really important, what you've brought up. We haven't got our heads around what that really means.