Health Committee on June 15th, 2017

[John Oliver, Liberal, Oakville, ON]

Your thought being that if.... How would the clerks respond to “but not limited to”? If we're organizing thematically, how would that happen?

[Colin Carrie, Conservative, Oshawa, ON]

Well, to organize this, with all due respect, we've had a lot of talk on this and I have nothing written in front of me for the motion that we're actually voting on. On Don's suggestion that we just vote on it and if we want to, change it later, I understand that, but we've done a lot of talking back and forth on the motion.

What I'm concerned about, John, is about being too prescriptive, so if we put in a line.... Unless the clerk can read me back exactly everything that was put into it and what we're actually voting on—this is such an important thing and I don't want to rush it—I thought that if we were to put “but not limited to” after your clause, at the front end of it, it just would give us that flexibility that I'm looking for.

I believe everybody's intention is the same, but we know that if there is a discrepancy later on we'll just go back and say, “Well, we did pass this motion.” This gives us a bit more of an open end.

[The Chair, Liberal, Bill Casey]

I see these as themes, because these conversations go in all kinds of different directions, and we take them wherever we want.

Mr. Webber—

[Colin Carrie, Conservative, Oshawa, ON]

But if we're open—

[The Chair, Liberal, Bill Casey]

—took it to melting icebergs today, just to give you an idea how flexible the system is.

[Colin Carrie, Conservative, Oshawa, ON]

Yes, but if we are here next week, are we still available to talk about it once the discussion—

[The Chair, Liberal, Bill Casey]

We can, but I'd like to pass this motion.

[John Oliver, Liberal, Oakville, ON]

I don't think I'd accept that amendment. It's leaving it too open-ended. I'm not sure how that influences it. I had changed the wording to “to complete the task generally in accordance with the following guidelines” to give that flexibility.

[The Chair, Liberal, Bill Casey]

“Generally in accordance with”?

[Colin Carrie, Conservative, Oshawa, ON]

You know what? If you need to get this done by—

[John Oliver, Liberal, Oakville, ON]

We added six more topics to the thing.

[Colin Carrie, Conservative, Oshawa, ON]

At the end of the day, Mr. Chair, I believe this is going to pass, but I would like a recorded vote. It's just this process we're going through that I find a little uncomfortable.

[The Chair, Liberal, Bill Casey]

All right.

I have Ms. Sidhu.

[Sonia Sidhu, Liberal, Brampton South, ON]

Mr. Chair, John said “following guidelines”, and I think the flexibility will solve your purpose, Dr. Carrie, because it's not in stone: “following guidelines”, with flexibility.

[The Chair, Liberal, Bill Casey]

Okay.

Mr. Davies, you're on the list. Did you want to say anything?

[Don Davies, NDP, Vancouver Kingsway, BC]

I'm okay.

[The Chair, Liberal, Bill Casey]

All right. We have the motion on the floor. All in favour of the motion?

[Colin Carrie, Conservative, Oshawa, ON]

That's a recorded vote, right?

[The Chair, Liberal, Bill Casey]

Yes.

(Motion agreed to: yeas 6; nays 3 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

[The Chair, Liberal, Bill Casey]

Now we have a budget that I'd like to pass.

Everybody has a copy of it. Is there any discussion or a motion on the budget?

[Doug Eyolfson, Liberal, Charleswood—St. James—Assiniboia—Headingley, MB]

Can we accept the budget?

[The Chair, Liberal, Bill Casey]

We have a motion to pass the budget.

(Motion agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

There is no meeting scheduled for Tuesday.

The meeting is adjourned.