Evidence of meeting #33 for Health in the 43rd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chair.
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4:20 p.m.
Conservative
Matt Jeneroux Conservative Edmonton Riverbend, AB
I was going to offer a friendly amendment. I'm not sure if you've ruled them out of order before, but I'd certainly be willing to accept Mr. Kelloway's amendment if he so chooses.
4:25 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon
Thank you, Mr. Jeneroux.
As a matter of process there is no such thing as a friendly amendment, but if we can agree to do things unanimously we can do all manner of wonderful things. I am seeing no dissent to Mr. Kelloway's clarification, let's say, so I will take that as unanimous consent.
I see no further discussion. Is there any more debate?
Let's clarify the amendment at this point from the clerk, please.
4:25 p.m.
The Clerk
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
It is to change the first date to August 31 and the second, so that the dates Monday, August 3, 2020, and Monday, August 10, 2020, be replaced by the dates Monday, August 31, 2020, and Monday, September 7, 2020, respectively.
Also, a quick note that September 7 is Labour Day.
4:25 p.m.
The Clerk
Mr. Chair, the motion does not specify that. Someone would have to make that amendment.
4:25 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon
Very well. The amendment that's before us is just to change the dates. Seeing no further debate, no further discussion, Madam Clerk, would you please conduct the vote on that amendment?
(Amendment agreed to: yeas 11; nays 0 [See Minutes of Proceedings])
Thank you, Madam Clerk.
Is there any discussion on the motion as amended?
Mr. Kelloway, please go ahead.
4:25 p.m.
Liberal
Mike Kelloway Liberal Cape Breton—Canso, NS
Sorry about this, Mr. Chair. Maybe I'm slow on the uptake, but can you explain to me what we're talking about right now? I have some additional changes that I'd like to make; I just don't want to overshoot.
4:25 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon
Of course.
Madam Clerk, would you please read the motion as it stands, if you're able?
Basically, we have Mr. Jeneroux's motion that was modified to remove the references to emails; it was subsequently modified by the motion to add a vetting process, as per Ms. Kwan's proposal; and now, the dates have been changed per Mr. Kelloway's proposal. That is now the motion we are debating and will be voting on when the time comes.
Is there any further discussion on the motion?
Mr. Kelloway, I see that your hand is up still.
4:25 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon
Very well.
Seeing as there is no discussion at this point and no hands in the air, we shall call the vote on the motion, as amended.
4:25 p.m.
Liberal
Darren Fisher Liberal Dartmouth—Cole Harbour, NS
Mr. Chair, sorry but is this the whole, entire amendment? No more amendments can be made to this motion?
4:25 p.m.
Liberal
4:25 p.m.
Conservative
Matt Jeneroux Conservative Edmonton Riverbend, AB
I have a point of order, Mr. Chair. I think you just called the question, though. Is that not binding? Do we not move forward, then, if you have called the question?
4:30 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon
I think it's important to properly deal with these matters so that everyone has a chance to speak appropriately. With certain confusion on the floor, I was looking for people to put their hands up and there was a delay, so I'm going to allow the debate to continue.
Mr. Kelloway, please go ahead.
4:30 p.m.
Liberal
Mike Kelloway Liberal Cape Breton—Canso, NS
Sure, and thanks for that. That's what I was looking to do, so perhaps the confusion was on my part.
In the original motion, I'm looking to have removed the references to the Minister of Health's office and the Prime Minister's Office respectively.
4:30 p.m.
Liberal
Mike Kelloway Liberal Cape Breton—Canso, NS
In the following—
All documents, briefing notes and memorandums...regarding the emerging evidence that altered the government's advice on the wearing of masks referenced by Dr. Theresa Tam, Chief Public Health Officer, at her appearance before the Standing Committee on Health on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, including...documents, briefing notes...to/from/between Health Canada, the Public Health Agency of Canada, the Minister of Health's office, The Privy Council and the Prime Minister's office....
—I'm looking to strike “the Minister of Health's Office...and the Prime Ministers office”.
4:30 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon
Thank you, Mr. Kelloway.
So the amendment on the table at the moment is to strike from the motion as amended, “the Minister of Health's Office...and the Prime Minister's office”.
I see Ms. Sidhu.
Ms. Sidhu, please go ahead.
4:30 p.m.
Conservative
Matt Jeneroux Conservative Edmonton Riverbend, AB
Mr. Chair, first, just on a point of order again, I want to at least allow Mr. Kelloway the opportunity to try to explain himself, but he has essentially presented another amendment. You did call the question. If you're prepared to go back on your own word at this time, I think that calls into question the chair, quite frankly, if you've called this question, and we were about to vote on the question and then suddenly you allow another amendment from yet again another government member who was slow in the response on certain things....
So I think this should be ruled completely out of order. The vote has been called on this motion and we should be proceeding to that vote, not looking for other amendments at this point in time that would appeal to the government members.
4:30 p.m.
Liberal
Mike Kelloway Liberal Cape Breton—Canso, NS
I have a point of order, Mr. Chair. I think it was clearly evident that I was trying to get my points across, and there was some confusion there.
4:30 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon
Thank you, Mr. Jeneroux and Mr. Kelloway, on your points of order.
The objective here is to have these matters fully and frankly debated. I was looking for indications of an interest in discussion, and there was a delay on Mr. Kelloway's part. We had not begun the vote, so I'm going to rule that carrying on the debate is in order.