You need bureaucrats. You need communications experts to help the public health professionals. Regarding that group at NACI, what they're saying needed to be run through with some communications people and tested and thought through. I know where they're coming from, but they're not thinking through all the various impacts. I think that's the thing.
In my comments, I'm not saying we don't need a bureaucracy. We do, but we need the public health expertise actually making the decisions, with the support of comms and bureaucrats and all the rest.