Health Committee on June 21st, 2021

[Jennifer O'Connell, Liberal, Pickering—Uxbridge, ON]

Again, I just—

[Michelle Rempel, Conservative, Calgary Nose Hill, AB]

This is not a point of order.

I appreciate Ms. O'Connell's trying to waste time so that the law clerk can't come, but this is not a point of order. A decision has been made by the committee and we need to move on. The law clerk is waiting.

Thank you.

[Jennifer O'Connell, Liberal, Pickering—Uxbridge, ON]

No, Mr. Chair. I appreciate that the Conservatives don't want to talk about long-term care, but we have and continue to.... It is beyond frustrating to sit here and listen to the fact that 106(4) motions only matter if it comes from the other members. That they should only be acted on....

Frankly, Mr. Chair, I am frustrated to sit here and let them attack you for acting on a 106(4) that came from us on a topic that we care about.

[Michelle Rempel, Conservative, Calgary Nose Hill, AB]

On point of order, Mr. Chair, this is debate.

[Jennifer O'Connell, Liberal, Pickering—Uxbridge, ON]

When it's a 106(4) on a topic they care about, somehow there are two classes of MPs on this committee.

[Larry Maguire, Conservative, Brandon—Souris, MB]

Mr. Chair, I have a point of order.

There is opposition and there is government. The opposition moved and won the vote and needs to hear the law clerk.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

Thank you, everybody.

We have everyone talking at once. The interpreters will not be able to translate, of course.

Ms. Rempel Garner's motion was to resume the meeting as formally described. It was not to proceed to that in this meeting and, frankly, we are out of time. We have a hard stop.

I'm going to adjourn the meeting and I will get with the clerk to find another time slot where we can schedule that meeting so that everybody has the notice they require and so that all the witnesses we want to see—

[Michelle Rempel, Conservative, Calgary Nose Hill, AB]

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.

You cannot unilaterally adjourn the meeting without consent, and there is time left in this meeting for the law clerk to come.

[Tony Van Bynen, Liberal, Newmarket—Aurora, ON]

Mr. Chair, I have a point of order as well.

Everyone should be entitled to their specified time period, and there isn't sufficient time for everyone to ask their own questions. How can this realistically be done? It can't be accomplished.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

The motion that Ms. Rempel Garner moved and that was passed by the committee is that we resume our meetings as formerly decided. It was not, in fact, to try to incorporate some semblance of those meetings within the current meeting, which was not called for that purpose.

This is not—

[Michelle Rempel, Conservative, Calgary Nose Hill, AB]

Actually, on a point of order, sir, you are wrong.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

Excuse me, but I am speaking.

[Michelle Rempel, Conservative, Calgary Nose Hill, AB]

You're factually wrong.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

I am speaking.

[Michelle Rempel, Conservative, Calgary Nose Hill, AB]

You're factually wrong. That's not what the motion was.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

Ms. Rempel Garner, I am speaking.

I will ask the clerk to reread the motion that we just passed.

Mr. Clerk.

[The Clerk]

I cannot find it. I'm sorry about that.

[Michelle Rempel, Conservative, Calgary Nose Hill, AB]

I can read it, Mr. Chair. I have it.

It reads as follows:

That the Committee proceed to resume the agreed upon meetings in accordance with the motion passed on June 2, 2021.

That meant now. That's a dilatory motion for this committee meeting.

I get that the Liberals want to waste time, but you are wrong. You are wrong. You are procedurally, factually wrong.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

That is not what it said. It said to resume the meetings as previously described.

[Michelle Rempel, Conservative, Calgary Nose Hill, AB]

Mr. Chair, I can't help that you don't know procedure, but you are wrong. If you are going to rule on this, I will challenge your ruling, and then we will move on again, after wasting half an hour.

[Jennifer O'Connell, Liberal, Pickering—Uxbridge, ON]

That's so rude.

[Michelle Rempel, Conservative, Calgary Nose Hill, AB]

You are wrong.

[Jennifer O'Connell, Liberal, Pickering—Uxbridge, ON]

There should be some level of decorum. You can disagree, but the personal insults are not needed.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

Listen. I am trying to adhere to the motion as passed. The motion as passed requires that the meetings be continued as formerly decided, so that is not this meeting. That is not adding business to this meeting—

[Michelle Rempel, Conservative, Calgary Nose Hill, AB]

I challenge your ruling.