Evidence of meeting #5 for Health in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chair.

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Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Jean-François Pagé

2:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

I call this meeting to order.

Welcome to meeting number five of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Health.

This committee is meeting today to discuss supplementary estimates (B) for 2020-21.

I want to thank the witnesses for appearing today.

We have the Honourable Patty Hajdu, Minister of Health. From the Department of Health, we have Mr. Stephen Lucas, deputy minister; and Les Linklater, federal lead for COVID-19 testing, contact tracing and data management strategies. From the Public Health Agency of Canada, we have Dr. Theresa Tam, chief public health officer; and Iain Stewart, president. From the Canadian Food Inspection Agency, we have Dr. Siddika Mithani, president. From the Canadian Institutes of Health Research, we have Dr. Michael Strong, president.

Today's meeting is taking place in a hybrid format. I would like to start the meeting by providing you with some information following the motion that was adopted in the House on Wednesday, September 23.

As the committee is now sitting in a hybrid format, it means that members can participate either in person or by video conference. All members, regardless of their method of participation, will be counted for the purpose of quorum. The committee's power to sit is, however, limited by the priority use of House resources, which is determined by the whips. All questions must be decided by a recorded vote, unless the committee disposes of them with unanimous consent or on division. Finally, the committee may deliberate in camera, provided that it takes into account the potential risks to confidentiality inherent to such deliberations with remote participants.

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I'm not going to go through the “participating in person” part. I don't think we have any today.

That being said, I would like to invite the minister to make a 10-minute statement.

2:55 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Mr. Chair.

2:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Is that a point of order?

2:55 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Hi, Mr. Chair.

2:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Are you raising a point of order?

2:55 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

I'm just wondering if you're recognizing me to speak.

2:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

No. I recognized the minister to give her statement.

2:55 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

On a point of order, the original motion for this meeting today requires that the minister stay for two hours. We've lost an hour of committee time. I'd like clarification on whether the minister and her officials will be staying for two hours today.

2:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Thank you.

The minister may wish to speak to that point at some point during her statement. I would certainly invite the minister to carry on with her statement, unless she wishes to answer—

2:55 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

It's actually a procedural point of order, so it's up to you to decide on it, not the minister.

The motion that was put before the committee was for the minister to stay for two hours. We have lost an hour of the meeting. The minister has not been in front of the committee in some months. We have billions of dollars of spending to scrutinize. A long statement from the minister with no questioning time from the committee is not sufficient.

I would like to know if the minister will be staying for the full two hours with the committee members today. Otherwise, perhaps the committee should make alternate arrangements for this before we proceed with the minister's statement.

Thank you.

2:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

I certainly would invite the minister to respond to that, if she wishes. I don't see that it's really germane at this point. I would certainly like to hear the minister's statement.

2:55 p.m.

Liberal

Darren Fisher Liberal Dartmouth—Cole Harbour, NS

Mr. Chair—

2:55 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Mr. Chair, are you overruling my point of order?

2:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Well, it seems to me you're asking whether the minister will be available for the full time. I'm certainly inviting the minister to respond to that question.

2:55 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Before she starts her statement....

2:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Sure. If the minister would like to respond to the statement, I invite her to do so.

2:55 p.m.

Liberal

Darren Fisher Liberal Dartmouth—Cole Harbour, NS

Mr. Chair, I had a point of order as well.

I'm sorry, but we have these witnesses here. They've been patiently waiting. We have the ability to start this meeting, and if we can't finish this meeting, we can come back and invite them back to finish the meeting. Everybody has agreed that we want the minister for two hours. We have at least an hour. Let's start. Let's get focused and move forward on this, and please get some time in today. We'll happily make it up after the constituency week.

2:55 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Mr. Chair—

2:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Thank you, Mr. Fisher.

I've asked the minister if she wishes to respond.

2:55 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Maguire Conservative Brandon—Souris, MB

Mr. Chair, I have a point of order.

2:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Minister, did you wish to respond to the point of order?

2:55 p.m.

Thunder Bay—Superior North Ontario

Liberal

Patty Hajdu LiberalMinister of Health

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I'm able to stay today until 4 p.m. and I'm more than happy to come back to provide the additional hour of appearance.

2:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Thank you, Minister.

2:55 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Maguire Conservative Brandon—Souris, MB

Well, Mr. Chair—

2:55 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Point of order, Chair.