I think you'll have great experts to talk about the dollars and cents later on. Our point of view is that the money's already being spent, and the money's being spent by Canadians who cannot afford it. They either pay for their drugs or pay for their food. One in five families can't afford their drugs.
The money Dr. Hoskins was talking about six years ago already was different. We have to give the support to the Parliamentary Budget Officer to look at a universal program, not a patchwork, and to come up with the right formula. As a taxpayer, I know the money is already being spent. It's just not being spent at the right place.
All the evidence from the economists we've worked with over the last 30 years tells us that the best way, similar to our health care system, is to have a public system provide the evidence with regard to the best drugs to give. That's probably more to you, Dr. Hanley, because you're a doctor, but when I met the minister yesterday, I said that it wasn't really up to him to decide what was on the formulary, which diabetic drug, and that a group of experts should deal with it. That's what we're promoting.